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Hello friends and welcome to the very

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first episode of UFO UAP

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WTF I'm your host Jason MccLellan and

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together we'll be exploring the

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fascinating enigmatic and frustrating

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subject of UFOs or is it UAP

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you bet we'll get into that conversation

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soon it's the name of the show after all

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but first let me talk for a bit about

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this podcast overall

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for several years this show has operated

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under the name unknown and as I Was

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preparing to refresh the show's branding

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for 2023 I decided to take it a step

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further than I usually do and go with a

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full-on Rebrand rather than a cosmetic

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refresh

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for me the new brand the new name

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encapsulates how confusing the subject

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of UFOs can be and how unnecessarily

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complicated UFOs have become

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as has always been my focus my goal with

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this show is to provide straightforward

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unbiased journalistic information about

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sure I'll pepper in some of my personal

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opinions from time to time but I do

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stating is my personal opinion

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likewise I do my best to cite sources

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and provide you with as much information

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as possible so you can form your own

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opinions

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the tagline for this show is no hype no

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BS just UFOs

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if you spent any time diving into UFO

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research you're well aware of just how

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pervasive hype and BSR in this field

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UFOs don't need hype they're strange

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enough already

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this show presents the UFO subject in an

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approachable and uncomplicated manner

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with responsible skepticism and the

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scientific journalistic attention it

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so with that said I'm so happy you're

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here to hang out with me as we dive into

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this strange topic

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for our first episode of this new show I

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thought we'd take a big step back and

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look at UFOs overall a broad picture

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as I just stated there are plenty of

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folks out there who are making the UFO

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subject unnecessarily complicated and

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making it really challenging for Curious

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individuals to explore this topic

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so I thought an introduction an honest

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unsensational introduction to UFOs would

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be the perfect primer and perfect

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introduction to UFO UAP WTF so here we

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UFO this is an initialism for

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unidentified flying object and contrary

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to popular belief they aren't uncommon

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world every day

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and not just by your crazy kooky uncle

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1947 as the beginning of the modern UFO

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era but UFO sightings have seemingly

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for more context regarding that I

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recommend the book wanders in the sky

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unexplained aerial objects from

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Antiquity to Modern Times by Jacques LA

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and Chris aubek and just a quick side

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content about UFOs I strongly encourage

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researcher has stated in another UFO

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book without any additional research or

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independent verification of claims about

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legendary status and becoming cemented

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as part of accepted UFO lore all without

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considering releasing an updated version

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of Wonders in the sky for 2023 with new

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material and he acknowledged that quote

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let's get back to 1947.

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the incident that many researchers

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that he observed a group of nine

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high-speed objects near Mount Rainier

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Washington flying in a v-shaped

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attention and it's from this media

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credited with coining this term but it

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UFOs Arnold actually described to the

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press that the objects he observed moved

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incident you might have heard about that

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case and we will certainly revisit

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Roswell in Greater depth on future

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episodes but for the purpose of this

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the most basic summary

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the Roswell UFO incident involved the

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alleged crash of a UFO near the remote

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small town of Roswell New Mexico during

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U.S military that announced to the press

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disc that claim was quickly retracted

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the wreckage was actually from a top

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secret project that used high altitude

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research balloons

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birth of the notion that the United

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States military and the government

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media attention about this incident

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disappeared pretty quickly and the case

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researchers shined a spotlight on it in

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the late 70s and early 80s with articles

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introducing all sorts of exciting and

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sexy elements like alien bodies being

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recovered from the UFO crash

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the incident was featured on the TV show

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Unsolved Mysteries in 1989 and from

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there Roswell became a household name

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because you're listening to this show

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interested in the UFO topic I know big

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assumption on my part but with that

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being the case you've probably seen

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headlines and news reports in recent

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years about how the U.S government has

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U.S Air Force established its first

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sign initially named project saucer

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which had a goal to evaluate UFO reports

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not only did project sign acknowledge

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unknown or unidentified objects it went

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Vandenberg wasn't having any of that

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this in turn led to the disillusion of

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sign replacing it with project Grudge an

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mandate to provide prosaic explanations

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generals at the Pentagon reportedly grew

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and replaced with Project Blue Book I

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got another book recommendation for you

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here a fantastic Insider's look into

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these projects is provided by Captain

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Edward J repel in his book the report on

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unidentified flying objects

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repel LED Project Blue Book from its

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the Central Intelligence Agency also

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known as the CIA was also extremely

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concerned about UFOs so in 1952 it

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assembled a committee of scientists to

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examine the UFO situation and formulate

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phenomenon

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the Robertson panel named after panel

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Technology physicist Dr H.P Robertson

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evidence collected during six years of

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Blue Book investigation and reached the

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conclusion that 90 percent of all UFO

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sightings had mundane explanations and

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that it wasn't worth the government's

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time to investigate UFOs

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the Air Force launch a campaign to

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debunk UFO reports and make the topic

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seem silly in the eyes of the general

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public in order to reduce the Public's

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interest in UFOs

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the U.S Air Force funded another UFO

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project the content committee

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University of Colorado directed by

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physicist Edward Condon

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some of the committee's members

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Air Force by the committee in 1969

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recommended against any further

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astronomer J Allen heineck who served as

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a Scientific Advisor for the Air Force's

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report pointing to an obvious bias

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and conclusions being reached by people

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who hadn't studied UFOs at all

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but the decision had already been made

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the content report essentially led to

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the termination of Blue Book which ended

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in 1969. but of the 12 618 cases

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investigation period from 1947 through

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1969

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701 could not be explained

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in recent years UFO interest at the

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Congressional level led to new

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government UFO projects that are

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underway seeking to improve data sharing

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across various departments and

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government agencies as they attempt to

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detect and identify objects of interest

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in or near military training ranges and

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special use airspace

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there was even a congressional hearing

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on the topic of UFOs back in May of 2022

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Adam Schiff chairman of the house

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permanent select committee on

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intelligence provided opening remarks

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for the hearing

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holding a portion of our discussion

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today in Open session is critical to the

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cause of transparency and openness which

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was congress's intent in authorizing and

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funding this new task force

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the larger effort that is being

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undertaken to study and characterize UAP

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reports is an important step towards

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understanding these phenomenon what we

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know and don't know

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and I look forward to hearing more

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during both the Open Session and the

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close setting about how dod and the IC

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are undertaking that task

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UAP reports have been around for decades

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and yet we haven't had an orderly way

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for them to be reported without stigma

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and to be investigated

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that needs to change UAP reports need to

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be understood as a national security

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matter and that message needs to go out

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across DOD the IC and the whole of the

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U.S government when we spot something we

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don't understand or can't identify in

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our airspace it's the job of those we

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entrust with our national security to

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investigate and to report back that is

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why it's important that we hold this

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open hearing for the public to hear

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directly from the Department of Defense

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on the steps it's taking to track

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analyze and transparently communicate

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the work that is being done on this

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issue it is also the responsibility of

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our government and this panel to share

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as much as we can with the American

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people since excessive secrecy only

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breeds distrust and speculation

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you probably noticed Congressman

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schiff's use of UAP there instead of UFO

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although UAP has gained popularity in

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recent years it's certainly not new and

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the military has been using that

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terminology related to UFOs dating back

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to the 1940s

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but it's recently replaced UFO as the

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government's term of choice when

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referring to UFOs

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in most cases UAP has stood for

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unidentified aerial phenomena

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but during a recent media Roundtable

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hosted by the Pentagon under secretary

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of defense for intelligence and security

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Ronald Moultrie revealed that the

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pentagon's latest UFO project known as

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the all domain anomalous resolution

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office has changed that to mean

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unidentified anomalous phenomena

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the recent UFO hearing was the first

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congressional hearing on the UFO subject

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in more than 50 years

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but there have been hearings before and

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more hearings are coming in the future

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needless to say the US government has

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and still does have an act of interest

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in UFOs

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and that leads me to another Point we've

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already touched on but it needs

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restating

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UFOs aren't limited to the United States

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that's always struck me as such a

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strange self-centered misconception that

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the general public in the United States

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has when it comes to this topic but

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again people witness UFOs all around the

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world and governments around the world

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have and do study UFOs

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at the beginning of this episode I

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commented on the hype that often

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accompanies reporting about this topic

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the unfortunate hyperbole or stretching

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the truth to make a story or the topic

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in general more sexy and more mysterious

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or to add a layer of dark secrets and

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conspiracy

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fueled by Sensational headlines making

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claims about the government finally

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admitting that UFOs are real or

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asserting that the government can no

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longer deny the reality of UFOs or how

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UFO researchers with secret Insider

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information have exposed the reality

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that extraterrestrial UFOs are engaging

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Humanity

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I know it isn't sexy but any

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introduction to this topic any honest

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unbiased introduction without ulterior

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motives needs to include this very basic

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premise

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yes UFOs are 100 real

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that's not opinion that's not a matter

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for debate governments around the world

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acknowledge that fact

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but here's the unsexy part

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UFO doesn't mean alien spacecraft or

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alien technology

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some UFOs could certainly be

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extraterrestrial in origin that's

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important to keep in mind as well

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when dealing with unknowns

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all possibilities are on the table

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aliens undiscovered civilizations

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residing in our ocean atmospheric life

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forms humans from the future the

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possibilities are endless when you're

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dealing with the unknown

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however when governments refer to UFOs

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these are simply objects that have been

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observed but a positive identification

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wasn't immediately available

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the US government repeats this time and

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time again that it has no evidence that

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any UFO is extraterrestrial and sure

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we're all welcome to decide if we trust

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or distrust what the government is

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telling us related to UFOs but the

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honest reality with UFOs is that 90 to

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95 percent of UFO sightings are

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eventually identified

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you can look to the Air Force's Project

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Blue Book statistics for that or a data

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from civilian UFO groups too

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most serious UFO researchers agree and

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acknowledge that 90 to 95 percent of

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reported UFOs are eventually identified

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and this shouldn't be surprising

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there's a lot of stuff in the sky and we

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as humans keep putting more and more

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stuff up there

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it might sound silly but very mundane

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objects do generate the bulk of UFO

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reports military and other conventional

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aircraft blimps drones rocket launches

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satellites planets meteors bugs birds

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balloons

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point is humans are obviously not

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perfect we aren't all-knowing and we

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certainly aren't infallible

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when we see or experience something that

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is outside our Norm something we haven't

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encountered before

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strange it sticks out to us and our

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brain tries to make sense of it

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by the way that's true for everybody

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whether it's you your grandma fighter

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pilots or the president

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we're all human

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as far as we know wink wink but if 90 to

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95 of UFO sightings are eventually

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identified

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what about that other five to ten

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percent

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that brings me to another point

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finding explanations for UFO sightings

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is crucial to honest unbiased scientific

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UFO research

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as I just stated our skies are

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absolutely littered with objects that

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generate thousands of UFO reports every

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year

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identifying these objects helps

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eliminate them from the massive pile and

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helps identify truly anomalous events

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that Merit future study

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highlighting and explaining solved UFO

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cases is also tremendously beneficial

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for UFO researchers and the general

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public overall because it helps

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everybody have a better understanding

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for how mundane objects can appear

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absolutely bizarre or otherworldly in

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certain situations

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again this public education helps us as

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we try to weed through the Sea of UFO

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reports to identify any that could be

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that extraterrestrial visitor or

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something more exciting when those more

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intriguing events lie in that five to

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ten percent there's a lot of junk to

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sift through

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the UFO subject has a bit of a stigma

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attached to it

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people are often hesitant to talk about

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their interest in the topic and

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especially reluctant to talk about

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personal experiences because they dread

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the thought of being laughed at this is

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sometimes referred to as the giggle

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Factor

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some believe this stigma has tapered off

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a bit in recent years due to

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Congressional interest in UFOs and the

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topic being covered more seriously by

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mainstream media

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media stories about this subject have

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always been a mixed bag

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and they still are

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frankly it's unfortunately those most

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passionate about UFOs who tend to

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contribute to and fuel the stigma and

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ridicule directed at the subject of UFOs

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and that's becoming more of an issue

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today

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how well back to that important point

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about 90 to 95 percent of UFO sightings

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ultimately being identifiable

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there are so many folks who are

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impassioned seeking answers about UFOs

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and urgently wanting UFOs thrust into

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the public Spotlight at every

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opportunity to validate personal beliefs

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and to provide some kind of vindication

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but when these impassioned folks hype up

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every UFO sighting that gets reported

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and the majority of those incidents are

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eventually determined to be mundane

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objects like balloons this Behavior

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essentially deflates any positive

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momentum that may have developed towards

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lessening the stigma

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it reaffirms that notion in the general

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Public's perception that there's nothing

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to UFOs that all UFOs are easily

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explainable and that people who believe

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in UFOs are just crazy folks who are

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detached from reality

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that of course isn't the case people

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like scapegoats

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it's easy to point to Big Bad government

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and efforts to smear UFOs to make them

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seem laughable

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but an unfortunate reality we have to

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face is that many times the UFO

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Community is Its Own Worst Enemy

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and we do plenty on our own to feed the

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laughter

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oh that was a little grim and fatalistic

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sorry about that let me turn things

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around by saying that UFO research can

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and should be fun

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I know that won't be the case for

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everybody there are plenty of people who

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research UFOs because they are looking

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for personal answers to explain personal

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experiences which are sometimes not

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pleasant experiences

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I'm sure we'll get into some of that on

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a future episode

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but for me personally for many of my

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colleagues and perhaps you too looking

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into the mystery of UFOs is endlessly

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fascinating

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it's also largely been my experience

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that the ridicule factor is something we

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build up ourselves that fear of having

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people laugh at us

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in almost every situation whether it's

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family members friends co-workers or

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strangers when I've mentioned UFOs in

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any context the reaction is very similar

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they're a little surprised they might

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let out a nervous chuckle but eventually

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when they realize I take the subject

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seriously they become interested they

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start asking questions and more times

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than not they begin sharing personal UFO

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stories or sightings their family

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members have had I know it's counter to

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popular public perception but UFOs are

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mainstream

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UFOs are a part of popular culture UFOs

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are a regular theme or subject of

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popular music Blockbuster films TV shows

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and even in commercials during some of

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the most watched events like the Super

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Bowl most people have a UFO interest in

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one form or another

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when it comes to UFO research I know I

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said UFO research should be fun and it

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should but another important point I

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have to make is that although UFOs can

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be endlessly fascinating they are also

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endlessly frustrating

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UFO research isn't for everybody

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the reality is that you'll likely never

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find the answers you're looking for

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and it's even more likely that your

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research will yield more questions than

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answers

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UFO research can also be lonely

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what do I mean by that

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well trying to solve UFO Mysteries is a

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personal Pursuit

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sure there are lots of UFO researchers

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out there

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like any Community the UFO Community has

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lots of problems lots of Bad actors and

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entirely too much drama

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but it's also a tremendous resource

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filled with plenty of wonderful people

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doing fantastic work

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so why did I say that UFO research is a

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personal Pursuit

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I say that because we're all on our own

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individual Quest

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we all have our own reason for

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researching UFOs

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we all have different life experiences

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and lots of information about UFO cases

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hinges on belief

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no UFOs isn't a religion well actually

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there are ufo-based religions that's a

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subject for another day but true

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objective UFO research and the honest

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desire to find answers no matter where

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the evidence leads is not a religion

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there isn't one single truth one correct

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way of thought that you must believe and

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follow blindly

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we individually have to determine what

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information and what people we believe

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we have to weigh each individual piece

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of evidence and personally decide for

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ourselves the evidentiary value to place

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on it

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and we have to use all this information

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to establish our personal beliefs about

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UFOs and modify those beliefs going

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forward as we incorporate or reject

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future evidence

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there are plenty of people out there who

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are more than happy to tell you that

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they have all the answers and tell you

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what and how you're supposed to think

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about this topic

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the honest reality is that nobody has

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those answers and it's ultimately up to

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you to make up your own mind

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case in point Roswell with its legendary

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status an iconic UFO event known around

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the world we don't know what really

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happened back in 1947 and we probably

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never will

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almost everything we know about this

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case comes from a handful of researchers

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and those researchers don't even agree

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with each other about what happened

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all you can do is expose yourself to as

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much information as possible do your

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research and feel comfortable reaching

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your own personal determination based on

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the available information

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and as I just pointed out an important

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part of that is allowing that

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determination to change over time as you

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weigh new information

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that my friends is our quick

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introduction to UFOs the subject can get

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crazy and way too complicated really

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fast

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there are endless rabbit holes and

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subtopics your research might lead you

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to

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and it can quickly become overwhelming

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and ultimately leave you feeling jaded

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and burned out

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but I'm happy to share with you my

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experiences and what I've learned seeing

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and experienced during the past 15 years

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or so of being active in the UFO

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research community

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let's explore these things together and

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have fun along the way

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if there's a case or topic you'd like to

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have featured or addressed on a future

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episode a general comment or anything

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else I'd love to hear it I'm easy to

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reach you can always contact me on

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a-c-e-c-e-n-t-r-i-c or shoot me an email

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at Jason rogueplanet.tv

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I'm Jason MccLellan thanks for hanging

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out today join me again next time as we

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try to figure out together what the [\h__\h]